“It’s astounding that anyone would care about what women think on this subject. Pick Up Artistry is for men who have a hard time getting a girl to even look at them, let alone date, sleep with, or marry them. Alternatives to PUA — always offered up by women who have absolutely no clue why men turn to PUA to begin with — are ludicrously simplistic, not to mention ineffective. Suggestions such as, ‘Say hi, smile, treat her like a human being,’ aren’t gonna do much for a guy who can barely get a girl to give him the time of day. Personally, I think PUA tactics are pathetic rather than offensive. But it isn’t a crime to be pathetic. Women who don’t like it should be happy they don’t have to deal with the agony of this kind of invisibility, where you might go years, even decades, without a girl bothering to give you a second glance to your ‘hi’ and your’ most charming smile.”
Comment from some dude on on Why Are Women So Negative About the “Pickup Artist” Community?
Like, wow. Just WOOOOOOOOOOOOOW.
I love how so many men expect to be able to blatantly showcase their complete disregard for the humanity of women & then turn right around and feel entitled to our sympathies (not to mention sex & affection). It really does piss off ya’ll men that you hate women so fucking much butstill need us, regardless. Jfc ya’ll are so fucking pathetic sometimes…
Where’s one of those glittery “Misandrist fo lyfe” gifs when you need one?
Though I’ve made a personal choice to never, ever adopt PUA stuff… (at least not intentionally. Thing is, once you understand the principles of WHY it works… it becomes a part of you, and all that’s left is specific application.)
Someone’s going to have to tell me how this indicates any “entitlement.”
Really, one just gives an accurate description of how many feel in such a way that lays bare ones insecurities…. then we think we’re “entitled to sympathy.”
Unless one’s using deceit, trickery, or preying on people’s weaknesses to emotionally coerce someone… I really don’t understand how it’s applicable.
ALL HUMAN INTERACTION IS MANIPULATION.
It’s entitlement because dude literally just said “Women don’t ever have insecurities about dating or get rejected EVER so shut up about this because treating you like an object is expected of you anyway!!!”
The men who do this shit are the same mofos who whinge about the ‘friend zone’ and suffer from ‘Nice Guy Syndrome,’ claiming that all women want are jerks instead of the ‘nice guys’ like they are, then get mad when pussy doesn’t automatically present itself to them just because they showed basic human decency.
“Thing is, once you understand the principles of WHY it works… it becomes a part of you, and all that’s left is specific application.”
Pick up artistry works the same way abusers, manipulators, and brainwashing works. You dislodge someone from their comfort zone, push them to high stress, and get them to internalize the fucked up messages you want them to accept.
1. Distraction so someone’s guard is down.
This ranges from unusual helpfulness, an incongruous statement, something that throws someone for a loop. On the more violent scale, this is actual abuse, crowding someone so they don’t have time to think, sleep deprivation, etc. This ramps up their adrenaline and messes with judgement.
2. Quick shift to a reasonable/helpful/nice position
Now you become the good guy. You weren’t trying to hurt them, you’re trying to HELP them. Why are they so upset?
The nice position then works with the adrenaline rush the person just got - as a strong emotion, what they accept becomes very hardwired in the brain. Often simply reducing the attack is considered “helpful and good” even though, as Malcolm X pointed out - stabbing someone with a knife and pulling it out halfway isn’t really doing good.
In normal situations, many people assume a room for miscommunication/misunderstanding, so they immediately assume they must have misunderstood what you just did. This also sets them up in questioning their own perception and further drops their guards. It also allows predators to figure out which people will be susceptible to further abuse.
3. Constantly shifting back and forth between those two stances
Rationalize the abuse, how it’s always the victim “causing” it, get them to cut off any other support people they have, outright lie about what they’ve said or done so they doubt their own memory, and then when you’re in good mood, always lay on the message you’re trying to instill.
This is what abusers and torturers do. If you feel this is the path to a healthy relationship, or that all of human relationships need to work on this basis, you’re an abuser.
The principles are the same between the manipulative friend or partner who doesn’t lay hands on you to the waterboarding interrogator who cuts fingers off people.
Consent does not involve lying. Consent does not involve insulting the person to ramp up their adrenaline and conditioning them like a lab rat. Consent doesn’t involve believing that the only functional way to deal with people is to abuse them.
Pick Up Artistry IS how pimps work. Go read some Iceberg Slim. It’s exactly the same shit. And if you believe the only way to interact with women is sexual slavery?
Fuck entitled. You’re a predator.
Hell to the no.