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Why does it feel like network TV has unspoken rules for POC characters?

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grassleaves:

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grassleaves:

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weirdgasm:

Here are some I kinda feel are out there for the past 4+ years:

  • No more than half of the cast may contain POC
  • These people may only exist as a support for the storylines of their white peers. Any spotlight on their characters must be a very special episode or hastily conclusion to a story arc that barely gets any attention
  • The home life and family of POC are almost completely non-existent 
  • Family members may be cobbled together from mismatch ethnicities and nationalities without protest
  • If POC characters are anything but submissive, stand up for their mistreatment or defy stereotypes, they will be demonized by fandom (fandom in general can be a bitch for POC actors) and their actors with receive hate mail.
  • The writing staff must have less diversity that the actual cast. Many cultural mannerisms seem to present themselves either from thin air or prevailing stereotypes rather than actual research or even asking the actor involved
  • The world that the POC live in must either be Kumbayahville where everyone pretends that there is no racial tension or that race-based incidents don’t happen or a metaphysical war-zone where racial jokes are lobbed at them nearly ever possibility with no reaction.
  • Traits that other characters have automatically become negative when a POC has them. Confidence becomes bitchiness. Headstrong leadership is arrogance. Sexiness or sex-positivity opens the door for slut-shaming. Intelligence has to be know-it-all behavior. Any display of anger must be linked to militant demeanor or savagery even when completely justified.
  • Under no circumstances must race ever be addressed with any kind of gravity, just passing jokes.

POC just can’t be PEOPLE. We’re stereotype 1, 2, and 7….

My only problem with this is that this reads like the writers/creators of a show featuring a POC character are supposed to make that character the center of attention. It’s not the writer’s job to make a statement on race relations like some people seem to think it is. Like…what’s wrong with enjoying television these days and why does everyone seem to have a bone to pick with everything? 

Also…Community. New Girl. Happy Endings. THE COSBY SHOW.

Just stahp.

LOL at bringing up a fucking show that hasn’t been around IN NEARLY TWENTY YEARS.

And I see no problem with making POC the center of attention, since 99% of all shows have white people at the center of attention all the fucking time, and POC serving as the sassy friend/magical negro who is always on the sidelines, which is EXACTLY what both New Girl AND Happy Endings are, btw.

And Community is one drop in the OCEAN of television shows that have excluded POC completely.

And please, since you decided to bring your ass into this conversation, explain to me why  is it that it JUST SO HAPPENS that the most hated characters of a good portion of fandoms are black women?

Tara Thornton, Queen Guinivere, Martha Jones, Mercedes Jones, Bonnie? All black women and get some of the most DISGUSTING vitriol and hatred. Please. Explain to me this shit.

And finally, MEDIA IS BIASED AS FUCK. There is NO SUCH THING as just enjoying television. It is coded with THOUSANDS of messages that people pick up either subconsciously or consciously. There is a REASON why it took 23 fucking years to get Red Tails to the movies: WHITE RACISM.

Do your fucking research.

Since this young woman seems to be so insistent…I could not ignore it.

Because of how angry she is. That probably says something about me; that I choose to go after the angry ones. Oh weeeeeeell.

Okay, listen. Media is biased. It always has been and that’s a given. Everything is biased and nothing is subjective. That’s a fact of life that will NEVER. EVER. Be different and if you believe so, please enlighten me on how the world can be portrayed objectively every single time.

To assume that only POC are the sassy friend, you must not watch must television. I will use Happy Endings as my example. Every single one of the characters aside from Alex and Dave are tertiary characters in relation to the story. But you probably don’t know that so I’ll explain it to you. The show is centered around a group of friends, the two I mentioned were supposed to get married at the beginning of the show but she stood him up. So now each episode is a funny lesson on enjoying life and appreciating your friends. Yes. There are some jokes about color, homosexuality (MAXXXX <33), and sassy thirty year old women, but all of those jokes are in context of the show and are situations that actually happen in real life. That’s why they are funny.

I think I must have misread you, though…because I swear I thought I saw that you said that Community was the show most devoid of color…when four of its main cast members are non-white and also some of the best. FOUR. That’s at least half. 

I don’t see how bringing up the Cosby Show is irrelevant…You still knew EXACTLY what I was talking about so it’s clearly not that old and it serves my point famously, which is why you tried to ignore it. 

You cannot make the claim that the most hated characters on a tv show are black women without showing me statistics or numbers. I’m sorry, but you just can’t. Because from where I see it and from what I’ve heard, they are the most liked, with exceptions, of course. I’ll use Doctor Who since it’s the only show in that list of characters that I still watch. Martha Jones has one white male fan that I know who is in love with her because she is a doctor (his chosen path), and she’s one of the most capable companions the Doctor has ever had. And Tara is an asshole…you have to agree, nobody has to like her. I mean…I’m sad and everything but she was just not in a good place, haha. Although first season True Blood, I can’t think of anything I’ve heard that was terribly negative toward her. I’m sorry, but this point has to be ignored until you bring up some serious numbers. Not just from one person, but like…serious fact that people hate black characters.

Good grief, have you never seen The Tuskegee Airmen!? Oh I dunno, it’s only a little 1995 movie starring Lawrence Fishbourne and Cuba Gooding Jr. 

While I don’t think it had a theatre release, it does exist and many people have seen it. You can’t say that it took 23 years because it’s only been 17, which is not a lot. That’s enough to satisfy a generation and revamp the effects.

And let’s not forget every single black actor who has ever made it big in Hollywood and has gained the respect of their peers in cinema. But I bet you’re willing to forget that because Troy didn’t make a human rights monologue on Community last week. Also, how about the Help?

I’m sorry, but it really sounds like you have not done your research and are just complaining. POC have a story to tell, but that story does not need to be told every single time they make an appearance. Why? Because that’s not how the real world is. And if you actually go up to a group of non-poc friends and make statements about how they all need to apologize for everything they’ve ever done wrong to you, then I’m sad for those people. 

Really? Your ass is talmbout RESEARCH????? Ok, lets go:

1. George Lucas is directly quoted in saying that it took him TWENTY THREE YEARS to get this damn movie out because it didn’t feature almighty whitey. Hollywood refused to give him ANY funding OR advertising for this movie. NONE. SOURCE.

2. The EXACT SAME THING happened to Danny Glover when he wanted to make his movie about the Haitian revolution. No almighty whitey? No funding for you!!!

3. Black women in fandoms are regularly shitted on. Amber Riley received threats on her life because the writers decided to pair her character up with a white man, and the fandom lost their minds, saying all up and down how there is no way a fat black woman would EVER get an attractive white male, thus he should be with the blond white woman, who is the “better choice.” One person even put up pictures of the Holocaust and said that is what the race mixers get for wanting this to happen. (That person was subsequently BANNED from Tumblr, but the precedent stands).

And lets get some studies in this here, shall we. All of these are from peer reviewed journals within the last decade.

Source 1:

“Magical negro” films thus function to marginalize black agency, empower normalized and hegemonic forms of whiteness, and glorify powerful black characters in so long as they are placed in racially subservient positions. The narratives of these films thereby subversively reaffirm the racial status quo and relations of domination by echoing the changing and mystified forms of contemporary racism rather than serving as evidence of racial progress or a decline in the significance of race.

Source 2:

The present investigation examines this relationship by applying aversive racism and social identity theory assumptions to assess the influence of exposure to television depictions of Latinos, on White viewers’ judgments. Results cautiously reveal that racial identification and media ambiguity affect both viewers’ evaluations of target racial/ethnic out-group members as well as in-group esteem.

Source 3:

The change in the portrayal of black people after the Civil Rights Movement (1945-1964) is the result of the powerful black collective voice influencing change in nefarious deceptions of African-Americans in media outlets. This change, according to Donald Bogle, Robert M. Entman and Andrew Rojecki, however, simply gave new faces to old caricatures. Therefore, the continued practice of stereotyping blacks by way of dated Enlightenment thinking regardless of black protest speaks to the pervasiveness of “blackness” via the malignant ideology of whiteness. The desire to sustain ideologies and practices of mainstream media has prevented the erasure of black caricatures.

Source 4:

A content analysis of top-selling video game magazines (Study 1) and of 149 video game covers (Study 2) demonstrated the commonality of overt racial stereotyping. Both studies revealed that minority females are virtually absent in game representations. Study 1 revealed that, in video game magazines, minority males, underrepresented generally, were more likely to be portrayed as athletes or as aggressive, and less likely to be depicted in military combat or using technology, than White males. Study 2 also showed evidence of the “dangerous” minority male stereotype in video game covers. Again, underrepresented overall, minority males were overrepresented as thugs, using extreme guns, and also as athletes. Study 3, an experiment, exposed players to both violent and nonviolent games with both White and Black characters. Participants were faster at classifying violent stimuli following games with Black characters and at classifying nonviolent stimuli following games with White characters, indicating that images of popular video game characters evoke racial stereotypes.

Source 5:

Native Americans and race scholars have argued that the media construct and perpetuate racist notions of tribal peoples through images and discursive practices that portray them in very stereotypical ways. In particular, the dialectical “master tropes” of the Noble Savage and the Ignoble Savage have long shaped the cultural consciousness with regard to native peoples.

Source 6:

Racism and discrimination continue to be a pervasive problem within our society. The images seen in media, in general, and on TV, in particular, perpetuate these negative stereotypes about African Americans and impact majority society’s views of Blacks. These images also may influence minority cultures’ view of themselves and have the potential to affect the developing minds of African Americans. Negative stereotypes may be highly detrimental to African American children and adolescents as they attempt to traverse their way through the normal course of identity development…

Tan and Tan (9, 10) found that there is a correlation between the degree of TV exposure and low esteem seen in African Americans. They believed that repeated exposure of majority-focused shows or depictions of African Americans in negative roles cause low self-esteem in black audiences who view it. They postulated that through media portrayals, negative stereotypes may be crucial in developing negative self-images within a stereotyped group.

But racism in the media ain’t there though? Telling folks that if almighty whitey isn’t present, they will refuse to support them isn’t racism? Fandoms that send racist threats to actors ain’t racist? All these research papers must be lyin then…

Why does it feel like network TV has unspoken rules for POC characters?

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grassleaves:

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weirdgasm:

Here are some I kinda feel are out there for the past 4+ years:

  • No more than half of the cast may contain POC
  • These people may only exist as a support for the storylines of their white peers. Any spotlight on their characters must be a very special episode or hastily conclusion to a story arc that barely gets any attention
  • The home life and family of POC are almost completely non-existent 
  • Family members may be cobbled together from mismatch ethnicities and nationalities without protest
  • If POC characters are anything but submissive, stand up for their mistreatment or defy stereotypes, they will be demonized by fandom (fandom in general can be a bitch for POC actors) and their actors with receive hate mail.
  • The writing staff must have less diversity that the actual cast. Many cultural mannerisms seem to present themselves either from thin air or prevailing stereotypes rather than actual research or even asking the actor involved
  • The world that the POC live in must either be Kumbayahville where everyone pretends that there is no racial tension or that race-based incidents don’t happen or a metaphysical war-zone where racial jokes are lobbed at them nearly ever possibility with no reaction.
  • Traits that other characters have automatically become negative when a POC has them. Confidence becomes bitchiness. Headstrong leadership is arrogance. Sexiness or sex-positivity opens the door for slut-shaming. Intelligence has to be know-it-all behavior. Any display of anger must be linked to militant demeanor or savagery even when completely justified.
  • Under no circumstances must race ever be addressed with any kind of gravity, just passing jokes.

POC just can’t be PEOPLE. We’re stereotype 1, 2, and 7….

My only problem with this is that this reads like the writers/creators of a show featuring a POC character are supposed to make that character the center of attention. It’s not the writer’s job to make a statement on race relations like some people seem to think it is. Like…what’s wrong with enjoying television these days and why does everyone seem to have a bone to pick with everything? 

Also…Community. New Girl. Happy Endings. THE COSBY SHOW.

Just stahp.

LOL at bringing up a fucking show that hasn’t been around IN NEARLY TWENTY YEARS.

And I see no problem with making POC the center of attention, since 99% of all shows have white people at the center of attention all the fucking time, and POC serving as the sassy friend/magical negro who is always on the sidelines, which is EXACTLY what both New Girl AND Happy Endings are, btw.

And Community is one drop in the OCEAN of television shows that have excluded POC completely.

And please, since you decided to bring your ass into this conversation, explain to me why  is it that it JUST SO HAPPENS that the most hated characters of a good portion of fandoms are black women?

Tara Thornton, Queen Guinivere, Martha Jones, Mercedes Jones, Bonnie? All black women and get some of the most DISGUSTING vitriol and hatred. Please. Explain to me this shit.

And finally, MEDIA IS BIASED AS FUCK. There is NO SUCH THING as just enjoying television. It is coded with THOUSANDS of messages that people pick up either subconsciously or consciously. There is a REASON why it took 23 fucking years to get Red Tails to the movies: WHITE RACISM.

Do your fucking research.

stephascocktopus

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kyssthis16:

karnythia:

TotalRandomness: how come every activism movement involves some sort of “racism”?

stephaloveskitties:

the-houxbois-academy:

failedblackwoman:

stephaloveskitties:

I’m not saying that racism isn’t a very relevant problem, because it is.
That isn’t the aim of this.

But how come feminism- which put race issues ahead of women’s own issues in its movement- and Slut Walks and Occupy Wall Street, etc. are all…

I’d love to live in a world where mainstream western feminism took race seriously, but that has never been the case.

Except in the very first women’s movements which were, you know, for abolition, and then again for voting rights for people of color (which were attained BEFORE the white women who were deeply involved in the movement could vote) But you’re right, western feminism has never taken race into account. Being white does not imply racism.

You might want to read up on the well documented history of racism in the suffragette movement before you point to it as proof of anything. Also, women of color? Still women.

And, lol. It was MEN of color, boo. Not women….but, thanks for playing. 

Suffragists? You mean like Elizabeth Cady Stanton who said she would rather cut off her own arm than give the negro the vote? Or Alice Paul who EXPLICITLY said that feminism wasn’t gonna deal with race because it wasn’t a worthy cause? Or Susan B Anthony who straight up sold out black women’s rights activists because her ass was too scared to hurt the fee fees of racist white bitches in the south? THOSE Suffragists????

Not to mention the fact that black women didn’t truly get their votes until the Civil Rights Act, even though they had not one but TWO constitutional amendments behind them????

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squeetothegee:

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whimsicalacious:

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whimsicalacious:

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Cultural Appropriation Bingo, for all your white nonsense needs…

If I understand correctly, cultural appropriation is the idea that certain people own certain words and clothes; sounds and styles.

But feminism has taught me that people are entitled to present themselves in whatever costume suits them; and poetry has taught me that the entire silly mishmash of “English” is available to our creative genius; and jazz and folk and punk music has taught me that no instruments or melodies are off limits; and remix culture on the whole has taught me that information should be free and we should be free to use whatever information however we see fit. Because people are essentially good, and even if we aren’t we get better the more we play and engage with the diversity of ideas in the world. 

What is accomplished by segregating cultures?

No, no no no no no no no no no. That is NOT what it’s about.

It’s about reducing an entire fucking culture to one stereotyped rendition of clothing/music/actions. Hipster white people wearing fucking warbonnets and going “I’m an Indian!!” is cultural appropriation. White people wearing fucking baggy jeans and blasting rap music while proclaiming how “hood” they are is cultural appropriation.

If your feminism supports doing such disrespectful actions, then I will be glad to abandon feminism for good. I already side eye the movement for its racist upbringing.

Seriously?

So, hipsters wearing war bonnets and NOT going “I’m an Indian” is an ok thing to do? White people wearing baggy jeans and blasting rap music while declaring how “classy” or “sassy” or “gassy” they are is an ok thing to do? Right? Because that isn’t reducing a culture, it’s just taking on an exotic trope; and those are different things. This is the essence of my problem, so I really hope this means I can reconcile with the radical left right away.


(I should be more specific and say that feminism has taught me that a person has a basic right to present themself how they like in terms of gender. I admittedly made a bit of a leap on my own to thinking that a person has a basic right to present themselves how they like in general.)

Wearing war bonnets out of their cultural significance is WRONG. PERIOD. There is no if, ands or buts about it.

“Taking on an exotic trope” is RACIST and it DOES reduce a culture. Plain and simple. If you can’t grasp that, then Imma need you to take a seat.

“But feminism has taught me that people are entitled to present themselves in whatever costume suits them.”

Is this why so many White folks are defending blackface?!??!

Life hasn’t taught them that being a shithead gets your ass kicked. I’m thinking that’s the class I want to teach since I’m tired of all of these “Let’s sing Kumbaya and ignore reality” “If I say I’m colorblind then I can’t be racist no matter what I say or do” obnoxious motherfuckers clogging up my dash.

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[The] cornerstone [of the new government] rest[ed] upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth

Alexander H. Stephens. Vice-president of the Confederate States of America. (via depressingfacts)

I think the Cornerstone Address speaks for itself.

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i practically have this memorized because it’s my go-to “states rights” rebuttal. totally, states rights. states rights to have slavery.

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Even that doesn’t phase the white supremacists in denial. They want to go on and tout that “The Confederacy had black soldiers too!!!” Right. Because that is supposed to negate the fact that the South WANTED TO KEEP PEOPLE LIKE ME ENSLAVED FOR GOOD.

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But the Civil War wasn’t about slavery. It’s heritage not hate! I swear these people run from history books so they don’t have to face reality.

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masteradept:

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blackramenshadow:

geekeryandhockey:

dccomicconfessions:

“If you’re a DC comics fan, you’ll support the relaunch. DC is outselling Marvel for the first time in years. Good things have come from it. Superman for example.”

Dear confessor, 
Fuck you and get off my lawn.

This is the same argument rap heads use to justify Lil’ Wayne’s dumbass.
“His album sales are outselling blah blah blah.”
Selling a lot of shit doesn’t mean it’s good shit. Fuck outta here with that.

How about NO, asshole. I don’t support the fucking relaunch, since the only artist who was worth a damn died a lil while back, they’ve turned the only character that I care for, Harley Quinn, into a goddamn Juggalette Stripper, as well as fucked up a ton of its other female characters AND Didio copped a fucking tude like no other when the mention of women being featured in a positive, non hyperexualized way came up.
And Superman? HA! The same racist ass Superman that has a “turn you into a negro” machine in his arctic fortress??? 


What Sourcedumal said. PLUS..No Oracle, Secret Six and another bullshit retcon on Wonder Woman.

masteradept:

sourcedumal:

blackramenshadow:

geekeryandhockey:

dccomicconfessions:

“If you’re a DC comics fan, you’ll support the relaunch. DC is outselling Marvel for the first time in years. Good things have come from it. Superman for example.”

Dear confessor, 

Fuck you and get off my lawn.

This is the same argument rap heads use to justify Lil’ Wayne’s dumbass.

“His album sales are outselling blah blah blah.”

Selling a lot of shit doesn’t mean it’s good shit. Fuck outta here with that.

How about NO, asshole. I don’t support the fucking relaunch, since the only artist who was worth a damn died a lil while back, they’ve turned the only character that I care for, Harley Quinn, into a goddamn Juggalette Stripper, as well as fucked up a ton of its other female characters AND Didio copped a fucking tude like no other when the mention of women being featured in a positive, non hyperexualized way came up.

And Superman? HA! The same racist ass Superman that has a “turn you into a negro” machine in his arctic fortress???

What Sourcedumal said. PLUS..No Oracle, Secret Six and another bullshit retcon on Wonder Woman.

meravie

THE ENCLAVE: A Question for Feminists

soydulcedeleche:

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soydulcedeleche:

meravie:

Today was the first day I was back in England for nearly 2 months. I had a vest on, a t shirt over it, and then on top of that, a jacket.

After returning I went straight back out again. I was so hot I took the jacket and the t shirt off, meaning I was left wearing my black vest, jeans and army…

this. post. despite the 093759867568989 RL accounts and 894657896758769856 stats and just plain old life she says sexual harrasment on the street doesnt exist and women are the main perps. well, lucky you. the rest of 98467895687589757 cant say the same LOL this is life, ya’ll. this is like pretending theres no racism and blacks just “imagine it” all the time. wth?

This is the same trick that tried to tell me off when I had my science fiction = whiteness post.

Puhlease. So I guess the dude who told me he’d like to lick my pussy lining out when I was minding my own business waiting for the bus was just meaningless, huh? Or the dude who tried to come up and grab my breasts and run? Or the guys who yell “Ayy lil mama…let me getcho numba” and then when I decline, call me a “bitch?”  Or the young lady who was beaten in a women’s bathroom because she had the NERVE to say no to a dude on the dance floor? They TOTALLY mean nothing.

Nope, we’re just overthinking everything. Our lady brains are just too feeble to realize that those men are just trying to be NICE. It doesn’t matter that our society teaches us that our own sexual assaults are our own fault. It’s not our fault that WOC often deal with this shit in more complex ways. No, it’s all in our heads.

Fuck off, privileged little girl. 

it made me laugh she tried to say only ugly women claim harrassment.

i never stop getting harrassed. and i am fucking beautiful. call me conceited. i just am. lol wtf does this have to do with it? its about mysoginy. lack of respect for the female body. not being “flattered”. jesus christ.

let me bring her to the dominican republic, she will sing a different tune within SECONDS because she’d practically get mauled.

So I just imagined the dudes I’ve had to actually hit because they got grabby after I didn’t respond well to “Nice legs, come wrap them around me?” Yeah…no. Idjit please, spend longer than 5 seconds out in the world and you might learn something. Or just shut the entire fuck up.

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