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Oh white people… ::smh::

poemsofthedead:

poemsofthedead:

LOL. People think it’s “sarcasm” when I point blank, and in bold text, say that it’s racism to use the word occupy to describe your movement while you are standing on occupied land and indigenous folks have been telling you since the first day that we don’t find it cute???

Really? It’s that confusing?

Nah, I’m dead serious.

I don’t trust you crackers for shit, and if you want me to take you serious, you better come with something better than calling me names and telling me you’ve never heard this critique before.

Oh, and hey, this is just a handful of the links that come up when you search “indigenous criticism of occupy wall street”*:

An Open Letter to Occupy Wall Street by John Paul Montano

Indians Counter ‘Occupy Wall Street’ with ‘Decolonize Wall Street’ via The Buffalo Post

OCCUPY WALL STREET: The Game of Colonialism and further nationalism to be decolonized from the “Left” by Jessica Yee

Decolonization and Occupy Wall Street by Robert Desjarlait

*TW: there are also lots of links of white people invested in OccupyShit who have written critiques of the critiques, most of which are basically calling these fine indigenous people lots of unsavory names, the “nicest” of which are accusations of ignorance. Because white people can’t stand to be told that they ain’t right and should actually change how they think & do when it is harming POC.

As a reminder of context (cuz this is an old post), this was after I said something about OccupyShit being racist and explicitly pointed out that the fact that they keep using the word “occupy” despite critiques from day one about it - and a bunch of white people came in all defensive about how OccupyShit is doing more than I am doing sitting at my computer and they don’t know what I’m even talking about saying there are critiques about the name. Well, I was critiquing the name and it’s not that complex to understand why it’s a problem. But I said “Google it” and they claimed that they had Googled it before asking, which clearly is a lie because the links above are from the first page of search engine results.

womanistgamergirl

ladyatheist:

There are two parts of the article that need to be highlighted.

First:

It seemed as though the protesters confidently marched into Harlem without taking into account the city’s tense race relations, particularly in Harlem, which has been undergoing a radical demographic shift for the past decade, or so, leaving black households sometimes in the minority. 

But where the protesters stood, 6 in 10 residents are black, and many have long witnessed the president weather attacks, some valid, but others rooted in ugly, undeniable racism (see: Show Me Your Birth Certificate).

There was little room for nuanced debate at the Apollo protest, and to many Harlemites, it appeared as though a bunch of people, most of them white, had shown up simply to give the first black president a hard time. The Obama-as-Hitler banner seemed to seal the deal. After all, calling one’s political opponent “Hitler” doesn’t really leave much room for intelligent debate.

Second:

[…] whenever America congratulates itself on becoming post-racial, we should all enjoy a good, collective laugh. There are deep, profound racial injustices in this country, which ironically, OWS was hoping to discuss at the protest. Stop And Frisk, widespread unemployment in the black community, and the subprime disaster are all byproducts of institutional racism.

However, when a majority-white group plans to march into Harlem, site of arguably the most important black cultural renaissance in US history, and “educate” its citizens about the poor decisions of the first black president, there needs to be some community outreach done beforehand. Otherwise, there’s zero room for discussion, the whole thing dissolves into a screamfest, and if the LaRouchies show up, man, it’s over.

Side-note: Accusations of the white, male hijacking of Occupy have been prevalent for a while, and the issue is complicated. The media did a very poor job of highlighting a variety of OWS voices, particular those of women of color, leading many to believe there simply aren’t Occupiers of different races, which is patently false. However, as one long-time OWS supporter told me last night, white men do have a habit of deeming themselves facilitators at Occupy meet-ups, which gives the false impression that OWS is led by white men simply because, in that moment, a white man chose to seize power and lead. In his words, it’s “like witnessing the mindset behind colonialism.”

Second, there is a direct correlation between Occupy’s popularity and the timeline of Obama’s reelection bid. Everyone loves dissenters when they don’t threaten the system’s normal state, but as we near election time, Occupy’s presence at Obama events will be less a novelty and more a very real threat, especially in the minds of diehard Obama supporters (in Nov 2011, black voters gave Obama a 91 percent approval rating).

Last night seemed a failure of imagination: failure on the part of Occupy for underestimating tense race relations and Obama fervor leading up to the re-election, and failure on the part of some Harlem residents to imagine that maybe - just maybe - Obama hasn’t made stellar decisions at every turn.

I strongly suggest that you take the time to read the whole article. It brings up some good points.

You know I don’t understand this idea that people have of Obama as New Jesus or this idea that people who support can’t also be aware of where he falls short. That’s before we get into the Obama as Hitler thing which is frankly so pig ignorant I don’t quite know how to discuss. That’s not just a misstep on the part of OWS, it’s a complete rejection of reality, history & social context. Just saying. Here’s the thing, President Obama is a human being working within an incredibly flawed system. Is he perfect? NO! Is he likely to be a better choice for many people than any of the Republican candidates? Yes. I don’t always agree with him, but I am aware that I’d rather see him in office than Santorum, Gingrich, Romney or Paul. I think many of Obama’s supporters are looking at their options & whether they really like all of his policies or not, they are willing to compromise for the greater good. At least that’s where I stand. As for OWS? Y’all keep tilting at that windmill if you want to, personally I’m not even going to pretend OWS is about improving my life or the lives of people like me.

womanistgamergirl

ladyatheist:

Every time I point out a flaw in #ows and mention that it is one of the many reasons I just can’t bring myself to fully support it, someone always says “well, one person isn’t reflective of the whole movement”. This is one case where I have to call bullshit. The problems of sexism, racism, and privilege denial within the movement are way too rampant to be attributed to “just a few people”. What also bothers me is the fact that very little is being done to address and/or change that. If anything, most people are just making excuses for it. There is a major case of “I agree with the movement therefore it is above criticism” going on in #ows.

womanistgamergirl
ladyatheist:

Regarding this Naomi Wolf bashing- she has addressed it. She’s not seeing the tweets because the posts are being sent from her Facebook, so she’s on FB, not Twitter. (via capncaptian)
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I do like that she apologized for the statement. (However, the whole “playing the victim” thing is not cute. Admit you were wrong and move the fuck on.) I would not say that I was “bashing” her. I pointed out a problematic statement that she made and, in the process I happened to uncover a much bigger problem in the movement.
Instead of recognizing that the statement made was problematic, a few people decided to tell me and others to “chill the fuck out” or “get over it.” That is a very big problem. These are the same people who don’t want the 1% to tell them to “get a job.” Aren’t they expressing the same type of sentiment when they tell people who are offended by something to “get over it.” This is why a good number of people find it hard to support occupy wall street. 
A good number of protesters feel as if they are above criticism. If you are a liberal and you dare to question the movement, you are simply brushed off. I firmly believe that if occupy wall street wants to accomplish anything, they really need to start taking these criticisms seriously. It does not bode well for the movement for them to continue to ignore and/or downplay the problems they have.

It’s not bashing to say that she said something fucked up. The fact that it came from her FB feed actually doesn’t help her case since FB doesn’t have a 140 character limit.

ladyatheist:

Regarding this Naomi Wolf bashing- she has addressed it. She’s not seeing the tweets because the posts are being sent from her Facebook, so she’s on FB, not Twitter. (via capncaptian)

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I do like that she apologized for the statement. (However, the whole “playing the victim” thing is not cute. Admit you were wrong and move the fuck on.) I would not say that I was “bashing” her. I pointed out a problematic statement that she made and, in the process I happened to uncover a much bigger problem in the movement.

Instead of recognizing that the statement made was problematic, a few people decided to tell me and others to “chill the fuck out” or “get over it.” That is a very big problem. These are the same people who don’t want the 1% to tell them to “get a job.” Aren’t they expressing the same type of sentiment when they tell people who are offended by something to “get over it.” This is why a good number of people find it hard to support occupy wall street. 

A good number of protesters feel as if they are above criticism. If you are a liberal and you dare to question the movement, you are simply brushed off. I firmly believe that if occupy wall street wants to accomplish anything, they really need to start taking these criticisms seriously. It does not bode well for the movement for them to continue to ignore and/or downplay the problems they have.

It’s not bashing to say that she said something fucked up. The fact that it came from her FB feed actually doesn’t help her case since FB doesn’t have a 140 character limit.

mehreenkasana

mehreenkasana:

Trigger warning for calling out on asinine privileged parallels drawn during Occupy protests:

I’m a little put off by some Occupy protesters who have the ignorant audacity to compare the treatment they’ve received from the police with the treatment they’ve given to those in “third world countries.” Reality check time: The treatment given to you by your police will never be equivalent to the treatment your government gave to those in third world countries. Apaches, IEDS, bombs, torture, drones were and are involved. You’re getting mace and rubber bullets for now. That said, I saw loaded rifles in a few images and tanks in one city which shows how dangerously militarized the US police is but they haven’t been used yet. And I hope to God they aren’t in the future. You don’t want to know how it feels to receive the “third world treatment.”

Drawing comparisons that are unfair and unrealistic only plays in favor of those who will continue to call you “spoiled hipsters” and “lazy

mehreenkasana

mehreenkasana:

Trigger warning for calling out on asinine privileged parallels drawn during Occupy protests:

I’m a little put off by some Occupy protesters who have the ignorant audacity to compare the treatment they’ve received from the police with the treatment they’ve given to those in “third world countries.” Reality check time: The treatment given to you by your police will never be equivalent to the treatment your government gave to those in third world countries. Apaches, IEDS, bombs, torture, drones were and are involved. You’re getting mace and rubber bullets for now. That said, I saw loaded rifles in a few images and tanks in one city which shows how dangerously militarized the US police is but they haven’t been used yet. And I hope to God they aren’t in the future. You don’t want to know how it feels to receive the “third world treatment.”

Drawing comparisons that are unfair and unrealistic only plays in favor of those who will continue to call you “spoiled hipsters” and “lazy

mehreenkasana

mehreenkasana:

Trigger warning for calling out on asinine privileged parallels drawn during Occupy protests:

I’m a little put off by some Occupy protesters who have the ignorant audacity to compare the treatment they’ve received from the police with the treatment they’ve given to those in “third world countries.” Reality check time: The treatment given to you by your police will never be equivalent to the treatment your government gave to those in third world countries. Apaches, IEDS, bombs, torture, drones were and are involved. You’re getting mace and rubber bullets for now. That said, I saw loaded rifles in a few images and tanks in one city which shows how dangerously militarized the US police is but they haven’t been used yet. And I hope to God they aren’t in the future. You don’t want to know how it feels to receive the “third world treatment.”

Drawing comparisons that are unfair and unrealistic only plays in favor of those who will continue to call you “spoiled hipsters” and “lazy college students.” You have media sources helping you in calling a spade a spade. Use your head.

I support your movement and agenda and I wish you more strength but cut down on the damn hyperbole. It’s pissing us folks off in the third world countries.

Welp…

polerin

Serious question here?

polerin:

I just got this message:

On Monday November 14th, Occupy Nashville will be holding a “human auction” in front of CCA headquarters in Nashville. Protesters will gather at the Plaza at 2pm, before driving to CCA headquarters located at 10 Burton Hills Blvd. Nashville, TN 37215 (Green Hills Area).

Is this as fucked up as I think it is?  I mean, I get that CCA is pure evil, making millions off of the imprisonment and forced labor of a disproportionately PoC population…  but this puts my “Uh, hold on here…” meter way WAY into the red.

I have so much side eye for this form of protest that there are no words. The comments on their Facebook page aren’t helping either.