“When I‘m king, I’ll hunt the monsters down *demonstrates* and kill them all. Just like you did, father.”
When one of your sons is secretly a frost giant and your other son says this, the proper response is: “They’re not monsters, Thor, nor do they all deserve to be killed.” and to then go on about positive attributes of frost giants and frost giants who’ve helped Asgard.
OH MY GOD, I WISH I COULD REBLOG THIS A THOUSAND TIMES. ALL OF THIS, EXACTLY, FOREVER.
I reiterate: Odin was a shit dad.
Item one: Not to be all “blame the mother”, but can we please remember that Frigga parented these two also and had just as much a hand in their upbringing as Odin? I feel like she just sort of gets erased and becomes a non-entity when we talk about Loki, but she was his mom. She raised him as her own son. So, whatever mistakes Odin made, she made them, too and participated fully. She, too, had a chance to tell Loki the truth and to try to say some positive things about Frost Giants and to encourage and support him (and maybe tell Thor not to be such an obnoxious shit). It’s weird, but it feels like denying that is denying her agency and her work (however shabby) as a mother. She matters in this, too. Perhaps even more than Odin did, because I can well imagine Odin being the kind of dad who showed up for major events and patted the kids’ heads at night before he turned in but otherwise left everything but to Frigga to do.
Item two: Yes! Odin and Frigga basically set Loki up for ALL of what happened in that movie, and I’m still wondering if the moviemakers really intended for Loki to be THAT sympathetic or not. Because honestly, for most of that film, I didn’t feel all that good about any of them, or about Thor, or about Asgard for that matter.
Item three: There’s a really deep, wonderful, meta-ish fic to be written here about how Loki is the mirror that reflects what’s most wrong with Asgard, that tells the truth it doesn’t want to hear. Technologically advanced and all, but they’ve got a grand total of two non-white people and there are only two women with any kind of status or power and Sif clearly states that nobody believed that she could do it and she got a lot of crap for wanting to be a warrior.
Which, you can go on and on about “well, it’s another world or it’s fantasy or they’re not like Earth humans” or whatever. But clearly in Asgard people-types come in more than one flavor. There are at least three that I can see. And one of those races holds a helluva a lot more power than the other two, if we’re going by representation and responsibility/power/agency given to them. Unless you can canonically show me that there are only a grand total of, like, ten non-white citizens among the hundreds/thousands that live there, it’s safe to assume that there’s a deep, deep imbalance in Asgard. Which is not all that fantastical or different than Earth (here is where I make my “I’m so totally shocked” face). And also disturbing questions about, if there are THAT few non-white Asgardians, why?
Thus, I think Loki being the trickster and becoming the so called “villain” is actually a great vehicle to explore this. And how him relying on wits and magic and other things (which, btw, in Norse mythos magic and prophecy are often thought to be very feminine mind based gifts in opposition to brawny, body-based masculine ones) actually made him a challenge to the heteropatriarchical supremacist notions that Asgard is built on.
Loki is everything.