Once I had a discussion with a white anarchist girl, and she said something like “sometimes I just listen to shitty music, like Destiny’s Child” and it was one of the most jarring things I’ve ever heard. I might begrudge a baby girl the “guilty pleasure” argument once or twice on account of False Consciousness, but I do not have patience for any person that wouldn’t question calling Beyonce “shitty.” Not just ‘cause DID YOU JUST CALL BEYONCE SHITTY.
Find me something that’s shitty about this album. Try to make that argument. Try to argue that the collective of best-selling female artists of all time just produce “shitty” music. Try to degrade the songwriting and narrative sophistication of these women. Tryyy to argue that this isn’t really a really fucking complicated and innovative album. Ignore the fact that it basically changed the game of pop music forever. MOTHERFUCKER TRYYYY.
I hate to make the “there is no other reason except racism” argument but there is no other reason except racism.
Beyonce and Destiny’s Child NEVER get enough credit for how powerful some of their messages were. This album is full of songs about feminine desire and independence and respect that the band wrote themselves but they weren’t Bikini Kill so I guess it’s not ‘radical’ (read: white) enough…
(And then on Beyonce’s first solo album a few years later, there was a song about consent and how some guy acted a damn fool when she says ‘no’ and I DARE SOMEONE TO TELL ME THAT THAT SONG IS SHIT WHEN IT’S THE SONG THAT INTRODUCED THE CONCEPT OF CONSENT TO MY SISTER, I DARE YOU)
i’m reblogging this because i’m looking at some of the comments on this and people are like ‘what so i don’t like destiny’s child so i’m racist?’ um. no. that was NOT THE FUCKING POINT. YOU MISSED. THE. POINT.
the thing is not saying you dont’ like beyonce therefore you are racist. that’s not how that works. but here’s the thing- the writings on the wall is one of the most popular albums of all time, and it’s inherently womanist, ok? like, Black women are treated like fucking mules. we have to support everyone. we’re hypersexualised. destiny’s child was, for a lot of Black girls, including myself, THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO TO SEX IF WE DON’T WANT IT. THAT WE DON’T HAVE TO LET MEN USE UP ALL OUR MONEY AND RESOURCES WITHOUT CONTRIBUTING (BILLS BILLS BILLS), THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY NO TO HARASSMENT (BUGGABOO), THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE RESPECTED IN MONOGAMOUS RELATIONSHIPS (SAY MY NAME).
‘writings’ was one of the first albums we were given like this. and it’s pop music. and it was popular.
no one is fucking saying you had to love that album. but if you don’t realize how ingenious the fucking concepts are, and if you don’t realize how important that was to Black women, then yeah. you probz are racist tbh.
p.s. the song thenmozhi is referring to is ‘yes’ and it’s from the album dangerously in love. and its fucking brilliant. again, you don’t have to like the song. but THE CONCEPT. IS PERF. THE END.
Keir, you are perfect ilu <3
I really need us to have a discussion about how black girls do radical, mind-bending shit without getting any credit for it - until someone white can work out how to co-opt it. About how anything that speaks to black girls is slated as false and cheap and manufactured. About how Bikini Kill and Le Tigre and Liz Phair are not the be-all end-all of 90s feminist music. I want to organise my thoughts on this because every time I see someone try to talk about what Destiny’s Child and TLC and Aaliyah and Lil Kim and Kelis meant to them in their formative years, someone bursts in with that and I am not here for that shit.
i grew up listening to this ish and all the hype around it since i was from the same part of town that beyonce lived in, and it was really fabulous. it meant a lot to me as a child of color. even when i couldnt articulate the issues around me, being a brown child in a poor school full of brown kids who were really hung out to dry in so many ways, we used to listen to destiny’s child and roleplay on the playground (‘I’M BEYONCE!!!!!! U CAN BE THAT ONE THAT LEFT!!!’) and it wasnt going on with many of the white artists that were out at that time. like girls were actually connecting to these songs and then translating it into their day to day interactions with boys, even at a young age, and those interactions were about SELF-RESPECT and demanding more from the boys. all those times girls would sit around and say ‘HE A SCRUB I AINT MESSING WITH HIM’ *flips hair*
All of this! I actually vividly remember getting this album for Christmas when I was 8 or 9 and being so excited. Destiny’s Child along with a few other artists were people I could look up to, and the same for my friends. And we did role play them in the playground, and sadly I never got to be Beyonce. But seriously, all their songs and the fact they ran the game. As a black child, surrounded with non-white peers. Destiny’s Child were everything. Music on point, always and they went through all styles and genre’s and vocal talent was always there. Tbh, I can’t believe people would ever deny their place and presence. This is the same for TLC, Aaliyah, Mariah Carey etc. They ish they taught me, not here to see ppl downgrade ‘em. Love the commentary too!
OMG YES ALL OF THIS.
I’m so tired of white folks and their bullshit ‘analysis’ of music they know NOTHING about, calling them ‘garbage.
Missy Elliot, TLC, and Destiny’s Child did more for me than Bikini Kill’s ass EVER WILL.
YES TO EVERYTHING
The bolded!! Well everything, but the bolded!! Fuck a Bikini Kill.